Not to mention that The Noble also gets increased pavement space on Sparsholt Road.

The consultation process seems overkill for what is in the scheme of things a fairly minor amount of work. It's hardly contentious, I can't think of any reason why anyone would want to object.

I also wonder how many folk got a copy of the document through their letterboxes. I got one and I'm off the map.

@reg - I got that one too.

Cllr Watts trailled it on this site a few months back

Having been resurfaced, Tollington is smooth and pretty quiet.

It all just feels like makework to me.

This is it. It looks uncontrovesial on paper, but there's going to be a hell of a lot of disruption.

They did this repaving in highbury around where I work and for a very long time the roads were a nightmare for traffic and people on foot.

Then after the resurfacing the yellow lines weren't painted for a while afterwards, so people could quite reasonably park on corners blocking the view etc. during the day and not get a ticket.

The shops on Crouch Hill are going to be hard to get in and out of when they replace the pavement all the way down to Hanley.

The loading bay at the Noble is the only good part of this imho. Jobs for the boys sums this up, someone in the council has been driving around in the islington smart car looking for parts of the borough that need 'doing', rather than local people asking for this sort of thing to be done.

It is pathetic enough that you see two gormless operatives sitting in the smart car at the top of Evershot

That's hilarious. One of the guys who sits in the tiny SMART car must weigh 17 stone. He wears it like a waistcoat.

@Ali - it's interesting. Whilst that fact is true, putting speedbumps in probably won't help matters and there are nearly no incidents on that road anyway.

I guess this depends on whether the road concerned goes anywhere. I have had a couple of very near misses with speeding cars with my kids in Victoria Road on the way home from school.

Once it was a David Philips 4 by 4 doing at least 40 while on a mobile phone at the junction of Marquis Rd the second time it was at the top of Albert Rd.

In both cases if the driver had been doing nearer 20 they would have had more control.

I also don’t understand why London Police seem to do nothing when people use mobile phones while driving.

If on the Islington side your all unhappy get a campaign going and make it very obvious to the LibDems that they will loose seats on the council If you can’t get a campaign going it is ether an irritant or most people are indifferent.

Democracy in action! Hanley Road area 20mph scheme;

3000 consultation documents issued, 1003 back (31%, not bad).

74% in favour of a 20mph scheme - of which I am one. Only 38% want calming, 68% just want a speed limit (1% don't know).

SO, in the face of what in a national vote would be a landslide, Islington has approved a scheme involving humps anyway - the length of Corbyn, Thorpedale, Marriott, Evershot and Regina.

Good that we all got to have our say?? Smacks of Ken and the congestion charge extension to me...

@RichardWatts - any comments?

OK. I've just got my copy of the letter with the results on it.

Do you support a 20mph scheme?
- Yes - 740 (74%)
- No - 257 (26%)
- No response 2 (0%)

If you do support the 20 mph scheme, which option
- Traffic Calming 284 (38%)
- Speed Limits 448 (61%)
- No response 8 (1%)

61% wanted option 2. Which option do we get? Option 1.

Comparing the two maps, the "redesigned" scheme simply removes the bumps from Turle Road, Wray Crescent and Pine Grove. Which are all cul-de-sacs anyway - hardly rat run material.

So why bother asking? If you're going to ignore a turnout comparable to a local election and far clearer answer than you get in most elections, why bother?

I find being asked and ignored far worse than not being asked in the first place.

Andy's derscription of what was agreed is essentially spot-on: a hybrid system between optison 1 and 2, with bumps on the more major roads and not on the smaller ones. Aside from the consultation results (which I'll get onto in a minute) there is some logic to this as size of the small road automatically limits speed, while the longer roads (e.g. Corbyn, Thorpedale, Evershot, Regina etc.) need some kind of enforcement to keep speeds down to 20.

The right bit of ther Council website seems to be down so I can't double check, but my reccolection is that that bumps were more popular on the longer roads for obvious reasons.

Personally I think there are much better ways than bumps to control speed but Transport for London seem to insist on them if they are goin to pay for the 20 MPH zone. Islington Council has also tended to be over zelous about putting bmups in and this is the first time we, as opposition councillors,have managed to get a hybrid scheme agreed - and this took more of a fight than it should have.

The big issue outstanding is what happens on Hanley Road. I don't think there sjhould be bumps on Hanley Road - it is wide and so much safer for cars to travel at 30. Putting bumps on Hanley would also drive traffic into smaller and more residential streets. Sadly Lib Dem coucnillors from other wards asked officers to go back and re-look at their origional proposal to leave Hanley Rd bumpless - we should find out the results of their thinking soon. Do email greg.foxsmith@islington.gov.uk (Cllr Foxsmith is the Lib Dem Executive councillor in charge of speed bumps) if you want to keep Hanley Road without speed bumps.

Everyone and his dog knows cars and lorries (end even rubbish trucks now and then) just Bo and Luke Duke it over the speed bumps. It doesn't slow speed, fucks the neighbourhoods foundations and has now actually been voted against yet still will be installed?

Do they really work for us?

Apologies for my earlier balls-up with the figures. Could hardly see the keys for the red mist.

Have e-mailed the named officer on the 'newsletter' to ask why we were not consulted before this went up to vote and how we can appeal. SURELY if the majority don't want it, we don't have to have it?? Cllr Watts?

@Reg

You should have recieved the Council's consultation doucment about this some time ago. You should complain to the officer you've already contacted if this did not happen.

The legal position is that consultations aren't binding but any politicians would be daft if they ignored the results. So your ultimate weapon is voting against the Council administration which pushes ahead with these schemes in the face of local opposition.

In the meantime please do email Cllr Foxsmith about Hanley Road.

Here is the speed bump map, from the letter through my door this morning.

@Andy, what does the X mark? The start of the riot?

@Poxy, WWII bomb damage. Turned in to the park

The X is where the treasure is. Alternatively, it's where the 'hybrid scheme' removed one of the bumps. I was being a nerd and comparing the pre and post-consultation maps.

The Green is "proposed entry treatment". This is on the western ends of Grenville, Corbyn and Thorpedale and the eastern end of Sparsholt. I don't know what this means.

Also, the bumps are "proposed sinusoidal humps", which are the tapered ones like you get on Tollington.

[Have edited the title of this thread to add the 20mph bit]

I am livid with this. I responded to the consultation, as others did here, as I absolutely didn't want speed bumps. I even bothered looking at the DfT study which showed that even these bumps increase noise.

Some neighbours may well lobby because they want change. I didn't want change so didn't feel the need to lobby. It isn't a great cause "What do we want - nothing". When a consultation came out, however, I voted and this decision has ignored that vote.

How the council can ignore a consultation so fragrantly is beyond me. If the problem is that they can't get funding without the bumps they should rerun the consultation with two options, to have bumps and 20 or to stick at 30. In that consultation I'd stick with 30. It's pretty difficult to go quickly down my street in any case.

Worth having a crack at challenging them on this, I would think. Questions I would ask:

1) Why were people who were against the 20mph scheme not given a say in what measures should be introduced if it came in? Just because you oppose something doesn't mean you shouldn't get a say in how it is implemented. This seems to me to be a fairly major flaw in how they carried out the consultation.

2) It's reasonable that decisions like this are not made on the balance of public opinion alone as there are probably a range of other valid sources of evidence on efficacy, safety, etc (leaving aside the TfL funding issues....). However, what level of public opposition would there need to have been for the decision to go the other way? How did the Council weight the different sources of evidence? They ought to be able to be transparent about the decision making process.

3) Did the consultation process follow the Cabinet Office Code of Practice on public consultation? http://www.dius.gov.uk/office_for_science/science_in_government/strategy_and_guidance/~/media/publications/F/file44364 It's not legally binding for local authorities but they ought to be following it.

(Ironically, I can't find the Code of Practice on the Cabinet Office website itself as it's under review, but I'm pretty sure this one from DIUS - which doesn't actually exist any more - is the right one.)

You may complain about speed humps but at least Islington's are high enough to work. The ones put in by Haringey (I'm on Mount Pleasant Villas) are useless and slow down no one. We're still a rat run for cars speeding up/down the hill.

Hanley Road is in desperate need of repaving - dangerous for cyclists and not great for cars either. I've used Fix My Street to report the numerous potholes to Islington Council, but nothing happens.

Busman, they're also so high as to be illegal

http://www.bbc.co.uk/insideout/content/articles/2008/10/29/london_speed_bumps_s14_w7_feature.shtml

@Papa L the final decision on these issues are made by officers and the executive councillor in chrage of roads etc, who is Greg Foxsmith, who represents Hillrise ward (north of Shaftesbury Road). His email is in an earlier post and more info on him is here: http://www.islington.gov.uk/council/Political/Councillors/councillor.asp?sectionid=&councillorid=42365. The contact details for the right officers should be in a letter which residents have recieved.

I am very happy to write on behalf of Regina Road residents that the consultation was flawed etc. The Hanley Road issue is being disucssed at the next meeting of the Council's North area committee and you cn ask to raise the Regina Road bumps issue at that.

I agree with wisteria53 (rhymes) in that the Hanley Rd. surface is a total disaster and has been for ages. They have painted those silly little bicycle signs on the appaling road surface. As I'm in Haringey, I assume I have no voice on the matter.

Some time ago, they also put in those automatic speed warning signs if a vehicle is travelling at over 30mph. What a complete waste of time and money; eveyone just ignores them - even the buses. This is why I'm pro-hump, or at least pro-calming. There's unfortunately a minority of drivers in London who are intent on using their vehicles as high-speed killing machines.

I live on ferme park rd and the speeding is hellish; especially after they widened the road allowing cars to park on the pavement. The only effective deterrant is speed bumps or speed cameras; it doesn't bother me which one they use, but they have to be used. There is still way too much pro-car bias in this city.

So I've not heard from Cllr Foxsmith yet. Are there any other avenues we can pursue? Has anyone else heard from any of their emails?

When I say whole area, I mean south of Hanley, north of Tollington, which is the bit that is annoying me the most. Sorry, Red Mist again.

HSB, I'm with you on that.

In fact, the one thing most visitors always say to us is how incredibly quiet our road is. I feel for anyone who worries about speeding and their kids etc. but this was put to a vote and 61% of people voted no humps so that should be what happens.

Plus I don't think humps make roads safer, I think they make them more dangerous as people who'd speed accelerate and brake for them. I have no statistical proof to back that up but then as the council has shown, who needs statistics.