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Got any spine chilling ghost stories for us,or tales of murder?...
A cheat,a thief and a liar....
Murder by Fly Paper
The murder of Aliza Barrow by arsenic-laden fly paper. Location: 63 Tollington Park, Finsbury Park
Description: In 1909 Miss Eliza Barrow, a well-to-do 49 year old spinster, moved into the four room top floor flat here where her landlord Frederick Seddon occupied the ground floor with his wife Maggie, five children and elderly father.
Seddon, the area supervisor for an insurance company, made some quick calculations of Miss Barrows wealth (actually over �4000) and advised her that in return for a small annuity and the remission of her rent, he would agree to manage her business accounts.
She duly signed over to him her properties in Camden Town and early in 1911, he increased the annuity in exchange for her India Stock.
That summer, Miss Barrow fell violently ill with constant diarrhoea and vomiting. The top floor of the house stank so badly that the attendant doctor advised the Mr and Mrs Seddons to hang sheets soaked in carbolic around the sick room. They went one step further.
Seddon instructed his daughter Margaret to purchase from the chemists a box of fly paper, which in those days was coated with arsenic. These they proceeded to hang around the recumbent Eliza Barrow, suspended over saucers of water to aid evaporation. Ten days later, after several disturbed nights, Miss Barrow died.
Seddon arranged for her burial in the cheapest public grave possible, accepting a commission of 12 shillings from the undertaker for the business, but he hadn't reckoned on the fact that Miss Barrow's burial would be published in the register of the local newspaper, or that a cousin of hers Frank Vonderahes, would read it.
As the Barrow family vault lay in Highgate Cemetery and no application had been made to bury Miss Barrow there, Vonderahes contacted the police. An exhumation was ordered and Eliza's body was found to contain fatal amounts of arsenic.
After trial Seddon concluded his speech with 'I declare before the great Architect of the Universe I am not guilty' and he raised his arm and gave a Masonic sign.
Mr Justice Bucknill then pronounced the sentence of death.
No reprieve came and Seddon was hanged at Pentonville Prison, just a short walk from his home, on 18 April 1912 with over 7,000 people assembled outside. The crowd would undoubtedly have been larger, were it not for the fact that news of the sinking of the Titanic three days earlier.
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Reminds me of the thread on the Tollington Park Poisoner http://www.stroudgreen.org/discussion/994/hauntings/
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I cut and pasted my quotes on here off of the shady lady website.
I am surprised that Emine's original thread did not get a few more replies it's a good one.
It begs the question would you buy a home if locals say a ghost haunts it?
I don't belive in ghosts but I don't know if I would buy,but I don't know why,maybe something in the subconscious mind fears ghosts?
Did you have a ghost in your home? Tell us some spooky details.
It's strange how some good threads like Emine's origianal thread faded away without many comment and others which are less good quality are picked up on.
I suppose ghosts are a bit of a joke - people don't want to say if they have seen a ghost incase people take the mickey or something?
Did you see a ghost if so what happened?
How come people never say they saw the ghost of a black person or an asian person just a white person in victorian clothing - bit racist innit! There must be a few multiracial spooks knocking around by now surely!
Bit drunk to be honest! Going to watch eng v egypt on tv!
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I don't know tnh, but I'm beginning to think we should stage some sort of intervention.
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The fabulous sceptic/magician/psychologist Dr Richard Wisenan has done some interesting work on the psychology of haunting/spooky shit. He's like a clever Derren Brown.
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Wiseman. Not wisenan. Coh!
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There are fewer non-white ghosts because historically, a smaller proportion of the population were non-white - but you do get the odd black boy or whatever. The situation being reversed in countries where the historic ethnic balance was reversed. Obviously. And there have been plenty of reports of Roman hauntings if you count Mediterranean as ethnic variation.
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Poltergeists are the creepiest merchants,lobbing stuff around the room and all that . They don't exist though so who cares,or do they?
Come on tell us your spooky ghost story nonsense...its creepy...
Some of those black n asian spooks might feel racially discriminated against if noone is seeing them... if they existed that is...
ADGS - I'm not interested in some Roman soldier mooching down a straight roman rd circa 100ad... i want to see the ghost of a rasta man with dread locks chanting reggae music circa 1955 or the ghost of an indian curry house owner circa 1968 who has run out of popadoms and is pretty fed up about it... n is gonna haunt us...
Dont want to be racialismist or nothing but i reckon a rastafarian ghost would be a pretty chilled out ghost...smoking the weed,chanting some bob marley lyrics and generally mooching around... not scary at all...and probably quite good company...
cut n pasted this off of the wikipedia about crouch end...
Urban legends
The spriggan sculptureAlong the walk just before the disused platforms at Crouch End, a man sized green spriggan sculpture by Marilyn Collins had been placed in one of the alcoves of the wall on the right at the footbridge before the former Crouch End station. This was thought to be a tribute to a ghostly 'goat-man' who haunted that particular area in the mid 1980s. Local children playing out in the evenings would 'dare' each other to walk the Parkland Walk from the Crouch End Hill bridge to the Crouch Hill bridge in the darkness. The sculpture, and Parkland Walk generally, provided the inspiration for Stephen King's short story "Crouch End".
There is also a myth that trains could still be heard rumbling along the route close to the Highgate tunnels, even after tracks had been lifted. This is unfounded, as is the ghost of a workman who threw himself in front of a train near the tunnels at Highgate station.
Another rumour regarding the failure of the route cited that the whole area had been cursed by gypsies who were evicted from the pre-Alexandra Palace site.[citation needed] They cursed the Palace construction project and "all connected proposals".
And horror writer Steven King wrote a story based on Crouch End after his visit to the area years ago.
Google "ghosts" to see what our spooky north london neighbours are up to...
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A Spy and a Traitor is in our midst according the Standard from page last night
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These days I can't tell what's clever wordplay and what's typos/drunkeness.
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Thanks, tnh, for saying my original thread was a good one, and better than those of "less good quality"! Obviously, I couldn't agree more. I still wonder, every time I walk past, if the people who live at 63 know. (Even though I still don't believe in ghosts.) A door in my current flat keeps opening by itself - spooky! - but I think this is probably due to subsidence.
Didn't know about the "goat man", that's a good story. I do sometimes find the Parkland Walk quite menacing anyway, because of the genuinely horrible things that occasionally happen there.
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its art innit... whos seen exit through the giftshop...it ok innit... bit of obey,bit of mr brainwash,bit of banksy,worf seeing innit... Ex public schoolboy Robin Gunningham (Banksy) talks alot in the film
About the Spriggan sculpture on the parkland walk...
A spy and a traitor is in our midst - how do you mean Ali?
I wrote " a cheat,a thief and a liar" do you mean something about that ali...I dont know why I wrote that its absolute rubbish...I think I must have got started early on the ales n fine wines that day...
Philistine - what are you on about son? Explain yourself sir...
I never know what Andy is going on about he seems to live in a world of his own - a classic Mrs Mopp if you ask me...And as for David - don't ask... he can be a bit of a grumpy git on here sometimes...
Come on tell us a ghost story Mrs Mopp...
We are all curtain twitching Mrs Mopps on here come on admit it...
You can't be right in the head if you write on here regularly...
There's no point in trying to deny it...it's bonkers innit...
We are bonkers...
You don't have to be mad to write here but it helps...hurrah...
how can you be this drunk at 8am in the morning...I just dont know
All right you are in de-nile;and I don't mean the river in Egypt...
you arent a mrs mopp...you are but you are in de-nile about it...
Someone must have seen a spook you can't all be so hammered off your head on booze that you never notice anything !
Spriggan...
Funny word that innit...spriggan...hick!
How many times do you have to walk the parkland walk before you see the spriggan sculpture up high on the wall in the alcove...
I keep meaning to notice it but never do... ive never seen it...
A tribute to a ghostly goat man who haunted the parkland walk
There is a st george and the dragon stencil on the parkland walk in the archway where crouch hill goes over the parkland walk under the bridge where all the graffiti is... always see kids there spraying..
i wonder what the caribean takeaway island grilll opposite the post office in SGR is going to turn into? its empty now.Another takeaway shop i hope. Prospero books is closing down or being sold in crouch end so a bookshop would be nice ... that island grill takeaway got closed down by the council as they had no licence to serve food so council shut the place down... no more rice n peas for the mandem den... 4 real... whens the evening standard going to be sold in all newsagents again i ask ye? its a pain going to tesco in sgr to get a free copy.... any journalists know wen the standard will be sold again
off for a bath a cuppa n a kip...night night....
Lets hope England beat the sweaty socks in the rugby today. Women can enjoy watching rugby too you know a lot of women enjoy it...
hick!
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For anyone wanting the above post condensed, the key line is "how can you be this drunk at 8am in the morning...I just dont know".
I always thought Prospero's Books was a bit of a disappointment, but the Big Green Bookshop in Wood Green is a v.good independent bookshop within walking distance.
I know where the Green Man is but I don't always see him. I think sometimes he's off having a wander. -
Sorry to call you a grumpy git David - of David n Andy fame...David n Andy claim that they run this forum from the dungeon under their bungalow in Japan Cresent when they aren't whipping the clients S and M style... I see David as a more of a text book example of a curtain twitching Mrs Mopp character a sort of fag ash lil,hair in curlers standing at the garden gate with a bucket and mop in hand gossiping to all and sundry about things that are none of her business....a bit like a less camp version of Andy really.
I started another thread on here about the london evening standard using the name "mr anonymous 1970" as a psuedonymn or pen name...but i forgot what the password was .... so i registered again under the name northern heights on my second email address... is this within the rules? i wouldnt know... i wonder if david and andy will sack me from the forum for this...i hope so i do write such rubbish all the time a sort of keyboard turettes syndrome or something. Unfortunately due to being hammered off my head on a combination of booze, drugs and cups of herbal tea most of that thread about the eveinging standard was rubbish too i read it back...
thanks for the tip ADGS about the bookshop...i will go there to buy some gardening books...although i dont like wood green because i find it a bit common unlike crouch end which i like... you cant beat a bit of class... i find all the posh people in crouch end very reassuring...posh people are reasuuring i find and they make me feel at home in England...although i would class myself as common.
apparently the people who own prosperos books are retiring...
its great that its the weekend isnt it... you can do some gardening and then put your feet up and watch a bit of telly... or if you are like me do a bit of knitting,a very relaxing pastime i find.There is a knitting group at the hornsey vale community centre called "stich and bitch" its great because i could do both stich and bitch at the same time with the lovely ladies and gossip about awfull men i havent been to "stich n bitch" yet but am thinking of enrolling...
i am going to the allotment today to do some weedin the garden...if you get my drift...then watch england beat the sweaty socks (jocks) at murrayfield at 5pm on BBC TV...all those muscely men,heaving and groaning in the rugger scrum...why i will be in very heaven...
I think David and Andy might sack me for writing under two names mr anonymous1970 and the northern heights...never mind...if i never chat to you all again....goodbye and love and rockets...
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Cogito ergo sum...
The Cartesian cogito...
now off to the allotment with a flask of tea,a packet of jaffa cakes and The Times crossword...
happy days...
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Type "ghosts on the underground" into www.youtube.com and watch this haunting documentary about ghosts on the London Underground.It's a six part documentary on youtube that lasts one hour.London Underground drivers talk about ghosts in the Kennington loop,at covent garden tube station and at Bank,at places that were bombed in second world war. Kennington loop is a piece of London Underground track that the general public never travel on its where trains turn round and wait to go back onto the line.
Anyone noticed the spiral staircase: if you travel from seven sisters tube station to finsbury park look out the window there is a spiral staircase that goes from the train tunnel to the road above.It's there so that if there is a fire in the tunnel or train breaks down passengers can be evacuated out the tunnel.
It is nice that there is a preservation order on many things on walls or signs on the London underground system so that these things aren't removed that are part of the history of the london underground
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We worked out some time ago that 'the northern heights' and 'mr anonymouse 1970' were the same person.
it's the constant unfinished......
and then starting new subjects.....
and....the.........full stops.....
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