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I am not aware of any CAACs for the Tollington Park and Stroud Green Conservation Areas
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Stroud Greeh : a conservation area at risk?
http://risk.english-heritage.org.uk/register.aspx?id=5005&rt=0&pn=1&st=a&ctype=all&crit=stroud
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Slightly unrelated, but its appears that Islington and Hackney Councils did put in a joint bid for funding for Finsbury Park Town Centre from the Outer London Fund. Looks like the bid is for public realm improvements including a shop front improvements scheme, but have no further detail on specific projects (or on how much they have bid for).
Unfortunately, however, as Haringey are not involved in the bid, I would assume that any spending would be focused at the Seven Sisters Road side of the tracks rather than Stroud Green side....Successful bids to be announced in the next couple of weeks.The three councils also seem to be working towards a 'Finsbury Park Accord' which I assume would be a framework / strategy for improved joint working in the area in the future. -
Green Lanes has just won funding to achieve the kind of shop-front improvements that I have been arguing for here: http://www.harringayonline.com/forum/topic/show?id=844301:Topic:334182&xgs=1&xg_source=msg_share_topic
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I saw. I wonder who organised it over there?
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Sounds like it was primarily led by the traders association.
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Has anyone heard of ''Charteris Neighbourhood Tenants’ Association'?
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The Finsbury Park regeneration conference is on - afternoon of 28th Jan. Limited places buts its free and there is lunch provided...
Looks like all the local MPs, key elected members and officers will be there so a good place to nobble a few about localism etc. -
Much obliged Reg, I've reserved a place.
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The Harringay movement was in the main thanks to Rob Chau, who is also one of the main men behind the Harringay Food Festival. Green Lanes traders are very well organised, and do carry an awful lot of weight with the council.
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Back in October 2011 I used this thread to mention an empty tree pit opposite Sainsburys on SGR.
Councillor Wilson said he'd report it, and lo and behold we now have a relacement tree.
Well done Cllr Wilson!
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There's £571k going to Hornsey Road too. The (very little) I've found out about that is at the usual place: http://www.thehornseyroad.blogspot.com/
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Are you thinking of Charteris Neighbourhood Tenants' Co-operative?
If so, it is a co-operative, whose members are local-authority tenants in properties in Charteris and Moray Road. Its purpose was - and still is - to provide local property management of the properties. In practice, they have responsibility for the inside whilst HfI takes care of the fabric of the buildings.At one point, all of the properties in both streets were owned by LBI; they had bought them from dereliction and their original plan was to demolish them and develop an estate. After a public outcry, they instead refurbished the properties and in many cases converted them into flats.There was a pretty strong community built up around the co-op at one point, but it seems very much diminished these days. Probably the beginning of the decline was the Right To Buy, when about 50% of members did just that. As I understand it, there was debate at the time as to whether those that had should remain members or not, although as lease-holders they were still tenants and they were allowed to remain members.In the period that I was a member (as a leaseholder), I got the impression there was still a simmering resentment in some quarters - possibly all the more so as the former members who had exercised the RTB had cashed in big-time when they moved on and second and third generations of lease-holders had bought into the area, generally unaware of, and uninterested in the co-op.The next blow was LBI's policy about 5 years ago of offloading freeholds where all flats in a property were privately owned. Everyone with any sense who was eligible, did so. This deprived the co-op of the income from management charges paid by lease-holders. These were between £150-£300 per flat, seemingly for not very much. -
SENT TO ENGLISH HERITAGE
Will the admin person forward to those who can resolve or have they been directed not to?If Stroud Green, London N19 ,at risk is it at risk from LA Islington as they are selling to developers to demolish Deco libraries etc . What is going on? They are also allowing printing firms to cold call & flood area with advertising that goes straight in recycling box.Should they not be setting a good example . Can we fine them? -
Why did you write to English Heritage about printing firms? And why do you think that English Heritage should fine people? They aren't traffic wardens, they look after old buildings.
I bet you get a lot of letters saying "Thank you for writing, we have noted your concerns."
This really means "I have no idea how to address these three entirely unrelated issues you have written to me about, none of which are my job". -
I am also intrigued as to what Deco libraries Islington could sell to developers. Arthur Simpson had its uses, but Deco it was not. N4, ditto. So it would seem that even where Julie has the right target organisation, she's pointing at the wrong culprit.
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Where do I mention fine ?I wasn't aware they fined . Get your facts straight. Are not the LA in charge of our money & supposed to be acting in our interest .Obviously full of people like this Andy who is particularly arrogant & obnoxious.Is he in charge? I am dyspraxic at MA level. I happen to appreciate architecture and our heritage which makes a place beautiful . Wasn't the discussion about beautification .Why were residents not informed it was a Conservation area & belonged to Haringey as my Islington PCT Surgery there. What is the problem here eveyone has first name I have both . Where was he at regeneration meeting today where the group on regeneration were taken over by the Green lobby protecting their interest ? As for David Lammy & Camden councillors[ were they invited] . They weren't seen for dust & meeting didn't realise N19 is bottom of Crouch Hill when mostly in Camden.
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This proves something underhand has gone on as what used to be Islington is now Haringay I went there as my LA . Research has found Arthur Simpson had been a famous Arts & Crafts Cabinet maker .The Arts & Crafts Movement proceeded Art deco movement in Arts & architecture . In the 1930 many people who made money bequeathed it to the poorer areas to raise educational ability & help people out of the poverty trap . This is also related to swimming pools,community centres & tube stations.
FROM GOOGLE
Introduction
On 7th March, 2002, the Education and Libraries Committee of the London Borough of Islington made a decision to close the Arthur Simpson Library (ASL). This decision was subsequently ratified in a full Council meeting. In July the Campaign to Save the Arthur Simpson Library (Campaign) began proceedings to take the Council before a judicial review over its failure to consult the public. The response of the Council was to claim that no final decision to close the Arthur Simpson Library had been taken and that a consultation exercise would begin. A final decision would be taken by the Council¹s Executive Committee on 28 November. This document is the Campaign's submission to that exercise.
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Julie, I disagree that it was taken over by the Green lobby today. I felt that everyone had a good chance to make suggestions. If anything, it became a little Blackstock Road centric but I think this is natural as the issues there are most acute locally. Lots of discussion about how to reach out to the marginalised Algerians who, as we heard from the chair of the Blackstock Road Traders Assoc, are not themselves representative of the Algerian community there. Sounds like the traders are really working to try and make the environment more appealing to a wider section of the local community.
Your singular comment, if I recall correctly, was that LB Camden was not represented at the meeting and this was some kind of travesty. Camden was not invited as they have *no* interest in Finsbury Park. Zero. Hackney on the other hand were invited and the elected representatives were noticeably absent whereas Islington and Haringey put on a good show. -
Ah, turns out I met Julie today.
Julie, your comment confused the hell out of everyone. You mentioned to me that you live on a particular road just off Crouch Hill. That road is in Islington, in Tollington ward to be precise. It is near the border with Haringey. It nowhere is near the border with Camden. No part of Camden is anywhere near Finsbury Park.
I heard you tell Councillor Wilson that you were leaving in protest due to the lack of Camden councillors present. You may now realise what an odd thing that was to do.
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Reg, did we meet?
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Julie, your January 26th post ends 'can we fine them?', so that's where you mentioned fines.
Arthur Simpson may well have been an Arts & Crafts cabinet-maker, but that does not make the library named after him an Arts & Crafts library, let alone an Art Deco one. It was a shame that the council shut it down, and the figures involved are odd enough that it's very easy to suspect something underhand happened, but that does not make the library itself an architectural marvel. It was not. -
N19 is mostly in Camden,Junction road, but my address Trinder road is N19 too . Has someone made a boo, boo ? Is this why there was problem finding GPs None of Islington councillors ever respond.Now I am not sure who or where ? What about the selling off of the grounds at St Johns Way Community Centre good for functions before anyone working there new about it.Was it Islington? N19? The MP used to run his meetings there.
Re green Lobby couldn't even mention the Meeting tonight but have & did discuss with Jeremy Corbyn MP as he remembers Islington being a Nuclear Free zone .The Fact that only greening the area got discussed showed the bias from person who lead .Maybe there should be a statement of where the Regeneration money has gone so that we can discuss.I am all for the Greens but not to extent they take over entirely .What were the 5 main points mentioned as I left in disgust. Environment is surely more than' beautification'- as you have implied remember it is not all pleasant like shop fronts, refuse etc.When I arrived in 1980 I went to Parkview Labour Party [ up the hill] where I raised the issue of the Weapon of Mass destruction [ N London line most nights at 4.30am ] tonight there is a Meeting at PortCullis House Westminster 6.30pm with Shadow Transport Minister & more with it group from Walthamstow [ mentioned here] . How many of you will be there?By the way I did check with English Heritage , Stroud Green is listed & at risk ? The library was no good as a library but could have been rennovated & converted just look a the Dairy opposite.There was much opposition in the area when it was Islington . Why change the boundaries? . Regeneration area? -
There is no ‘boo hoo’. Post code areas are meaningless, except to postmen and estate agents. Forget the post code. Neither Finsbury Park or Trinder Road have anything to do with Camden. Trinder Rd was in Islington in 1980 and still is. No boundaries have changed.
You were telling everyone that you were leaving because of the Camden issue, not because of green issues, which is why everyone stared at you blankly.
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Where was the Arthur SimpsOn library, we could do with one round here. The n4 one in blackstock had a drug dealer out front when I went there with my sister in law. Not good. Chang.
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The Library was at end of Hanley Road N4 opposite the Dairy.We are talking about political boundaries enabling LAs to sell off buildings at risk which they are supposed to protect .I remember Islington residents protesting . It was others at the event who said it was Haringey not Islington . You are obviously one of those in the English Heritage Call centre who don't understand preservation & regeneration who haven't a clue what to do. As for fining it was Andy who mentioned it . If they fined maybe wouldn't have happened. No I didn' t say that I was leaving because of Camden Issue get your facts right ask Jeremy Corbyn MP as discussed issues of North London Line with him & fact that St JohnsWay N19 Community Centre had its grounds sold off whilst those who worked there were not consulted .How come then is it that Junction Road is N19 Camden .That was probably why only green issues were discussed as the group chairperson was one.I notice you didn't mention 5 main issues to prove the point? I couldn't care about Camden being there as they too operating unethically allowing admin to do their work .We don't need any more LA s acting illegally & not in our interest .
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I think I understand now. All of those who heard you banging on about Camden were clearly having a mass delusion. Thank you for correcting me - it was Jeremy Corbyn I heard you talking to about it later in the day, not Richard Wilson.
I'm not suprised that Islington residents protesting about the library. It was in Islington.
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Marko, thanks for that and sorry for the late reply.
I don't suppose you have an email for the Charteris Neighbourhood Tenants' Co-operative? I see they have a telephone number, and even a premises on Moray Road! -
I went to one meeting protesting the closure of the Arthur Simpson Library. The meeting seemed to be full of people who objected that Blackstock Road was either an unimaginably long walk away, or 'not our community' - which, if it isn't an outright codeword, still sounded hideously parochial. I left, deciding that as much as I'd miss the library, if its loss would force these people outside a five minute radius of home, then maybe it was for the best.
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Stroud Green Neighbourhood Forum
The threatened discussion document on this proposal is nearly ready to be published, I am just waiting on the CAAC's input. In the meantime, in case you missed it, here are the results from the survey I conducted recently of members here and on the Resident's Association Yahoo Group. They can be seen in better detail here: http://batchgeo.com/map/stroudgreensurvey
I was suprised how many entries we had from west of Stroud Green Road. Can we start calling that area 'The West Bank'?
The final image shows the boundary that will be initially proposed. The most debatable bit is probably the inclusion of the area north of Hanley Road & south of the railway.
South-central Stroud Green. Many of the map points denote multiple submissions:
Proposed Neighbourhood Forum boundary (red):
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