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    • CommentAuthorandy
    • CommentTimeNov 22nd 2006 edited
     
    or

    Simple enough. Which side is better? Please state your arguments for or against.

    On the Islington side we have 0207 phone numbers, hot and cold running water and less than 35 stabbings per 1,000 residents. What have you got on the yellow side?
    • CommentAuthorPete
    • CommentTimeNov 23rd 2006
     
    I listened to a very strange piece of music where alan moore spoke about pretty random things. At one point he says something like "Whatever happened to Highbury? Now everyone claims to live in Islington"

    Warren Ellis spoke of Alan Moore's spliffs were as "big as chairlegs"
    • CommentAuthorDavid
    • CommentTimeNov 23rd 2006
     

    My experience with getting a skip at short notice and being able to get my parents car in the area for a few hours without racking up a sizable debt to the courts has to go in Haringey's favour.

    Are the shops on either side split between the boroughs?

    • CommentAuthorpetra
    • CommentTimeNov 23rd 2006
     
    plus, recycling is pretty good on our side as well.
    • CommentAuthorpetra
    • CommentTimeNov 23rd 2006
     
    ...by the way, 'our side' means Haringey
    • CommentAuthorFour Eyes
    • CommentTimeNov 23rd 2006
     
    It's Haringey for me. We have 0207 numbers too and the houses and streets between U. Tollington Road and Stapleton Hall Rd much more attractive. Closer to the park too...
    • CommentAuthorFour Eyes
    • CommentTimeNov 23rd 2006
     
    I meant Upper Tollington Park ^^ and the best pub 'Fullback' is in Haringey too :)
    • CommentAuthorpetra
    • CommentTimeNov 23rd 2006
     
    Oh, we only have 2 votes so far....
    • CommentAuthorandy
    • CommentTimeNov 23rd 2006
     
    Hmm. Fullback. Good call.

    I'm pretty sure the line runs down Stroud Green Road. So that gives Islington all the restaurants, Woody's and a couple of delis.

    Haringey gets the Sunshine Cafe, a couple of nail bars and a Dixy Chicken.

    No contest.
    • CommentAuthorDavid
    • CommentTimeNov 23rd 2006 edited
     

    You're missing out Petek, Triangle, Home, Londis, Threshers, the Parkland Walk and the cycle park outside the station. And my recycling doesn't end up in a landfill in Indonesia.

    Four Eyes, you need to vote by clicking above, mere words won't silence Overlord Andy Martin.

    • CommentAuthorpetra
    • CommentTimeNov 23rd 2006 edited
     
    ....and the Larrik
    • CommentAuthorFour Eyes
    • CommentTimeNov 23rd 2006 edited
     
    I think we've opened a right can of worms here.. (vote cast)

    If we're going to be pernickety about it (which I will) it depends whether we're talking Stoud Green as an area or Stroud Green Road?

    On my A-Z 'Stoud Green' the area, sits firmly on Mount View Road N4, the N8 crowd on the other side will refer to themselves 'loosely' as Crouch End. I interpret Stroud Green as the area to the left of Harringay Station and Stoud Green library *cough* bordered at the top by Mount View Road, to left by Stroud Green Road and to the bottom probably by Upper Tollington Park, south of which you should probably be calling yourself Finsbury Park anyway.

    Therefore I think Haringey wins hands down. You Islington crowd on the wrong side of the road ain't even Stroud Green. Sorry guys! Isn't that errr, Upper Holloway?

    Oh and sorry to be even more of a pain but doesn't Stroud Green Road imply the road that leads to Stroud Green, like Camden Road is the road that leads to Camden Town...

    *blows nails and rubs on jumper*
    • CommentAuthorandy
    • CommentTimeNov 23rd 2006 edited
     

    http://www.stroudgreen.org/comments.php?DiscussionID=211

    Liz has been conducting a survey on this very subject, through the honourably scientific method of asking cab drivers. Ask a cabby to take you to Finsbury Park and you get dropped off in Blackstock Road.

    Doug's view (as I remember) was that the centre of "Stroud Green" was the Old Dairy/Larrik crossroads.

    The bit you've described is the Stroud Green council ward. By that definition, west of SGR should be called "Tollington", but no-one says that.

    For all that, most of the time I say I live in Finsbury Park.

    • CommentAuthorDoug
    • CommentTimeNov 23rd 2006
     
    Former Stroud Green Station, now the railway bridge carrying the Parkland Walk, that's got to be the centre of SG.

    On the Camden Road is the road going to Camden argument, where do we stand on Florence Road? Or Lancaster Road for that matter? These things were never easy.
    • CommentAuthorpetra
    • CommentTimeNov 23rd 2006
     
    so, top of Florence Rd would classify as Stroud Green???
    • CommentAuthorandy
    • CommentTimeNov 23rd 2006 edited
     

    No, that would be Florence, according to Four Eyes.

    You now have to use the native term: via Firenze

    • CommentAuthorFour Eyes
    • CommentTimeNov 23rd 2006
     
    Oh no it's neck and neck.

    Just glancing (or rather scrutinising with a magnifying glass) my A-Z I notice the boundary veers off at a dangerous angle at the Larrik / Dairy junction meaning the Larrik is in Islington too. Which means the only pub in Haringey side is the Fullback (if you don't count that dodgy looking place up from the launderette at the bottom of Ferme Park Road). I can live with that. The White Lion can stay on the Islington side thanks :)

    Other *minor*point in Haringey's favour - we have all of that little thing called Finsbury Park...
    • CommentAuthorPete
    • CommentTimeNov 23rd 2006
     
    I would like to point out i voted
    beginning to think i shouldn't have now
    • CommentAuthorDavid
    • CommentTimeNov 23rd 2006
     

    I can retract your vote if you so wish Pete.

    • CommentAuthorLiz
    • CommentTimeNov 23rd 2006
     

    Now, I may be in a unique position having lived in both boroughs (Islington now, Harringey a few years ago, albeit in South Tottenham).

    Although there are some terrible things about Islington (speed bumps and CPZ being uppermost amongst them), I'm definitely happier on this side of the border. Harringey were inefficient at the most basic things (rubbish, recycling, billing you council tax effectively) and were also more expensive by quite a long way, which surely has to be a deciding factor. I've used quite a lot of Islington services, like the bulky rubbish collection, car collection, planning office, etc and they've generally been pretty good.

    • CommentAuthorLiz
    • CommentTimeNov 23rd 2006
     

    Also, the debate about what's included on both sides seems to be missing the bleeding obvious: we've got Islington proper (the area, not the borough) and you've got Tottenham. Case closed.

    • CommentAuthorandy
    • CommentTimeNov 23rd 2006 edited
     

    I've used quite a lot of Islington services

    May I point out you don't own a car. A quick shortcut to satisfaction with Islington Council.

    • CommentAuthorDavid
    • CommentTimeNov 23rd 2006 edited
     

    hmm, not agreeing Liz,

    You list rubbish, recycling, billing you council tax effectively as poor in Harringey but these are all good. Maybe they weren't when you were here but they sure are now. They even call me back or reply to my emails, something Islington never did for me while I was in that side.

    Citing Islington proper - a long road full of chains 15 mins drive away (traffic permitting) is neither relevant to Stroud Green nor really clear in value. What does Islington proper actually mean? I could probably cite we can get out of London towards Ipswich 2 minutes quicker and have just as much relevance.

    • CommentAuthorandy
    • CommentTimeNov 23rd 2006
     

    Ha - the claws have come out.

    David's getting aggressive because we mentioned the fact that he lives in the borough with Tottenham in it and we live in the borough with Arsenal in it.

    Game over.

    • CommentAuthorDavid
    • CommentTimeNov 23rd 2006 edited
     

    Not at all. You can have the travelling hords of football supporters going to a game. I'm happy to visit from the other side. We have Stroud Green proper.

    • CommentAuthorandy
    • CommentTimeNov 23rd 2006
     
    You don't believe that for a second, Spurs-borough-boy.
    • CommentAuthorDavid
    • CommentTimeNov 23rd 2006
     

    By that thinking Andy, you should be living in Swindon.

    • CommentAuthorandy
    • CommentTimeNov 23rd 2006
     
    That's true, but I wouldn't EVER live in Oxford though.

    Oh. Hold on.
    • CommentAuthorFour Eyes
    • CommentTimeNov 23rd 2006
     
    Although the conversation has moved on somewhat since I've been enjoying a few pints in my favourite *Haringey* pub, I wanted to have my last tuppence ha'pennies worth before bed. Yes you may have 'Islington proper?' but as well as beautiful 'Tottenham proper' we've also got 'Muswell Hill proper', 'Crouch End proper' and (most of) 'Highgate proper'. But as David said ^^^ 33 mins ago, we all have Stroud Green Proper and I'm happy with that...On that note...nite nite

    ZZZZZzzzz
    • CommentAuthorLiz
    • CommentTimeNov 24th 2006
     

    David and Andy, were you sitting next to each other drunk in Andy's flat when you posted that lot?

    • CommentAuthorfordster
    • CommentTimeNov 24th 2006
     
    I'm with David on the recycling, etc in Harringey. Have only lived here a couple of mths, but am very impressed so far - seems a very good service (or so Lucy tells me!).

    Now, can I be somewhat controversial and say bring on CPZ to my road! I have a car and I would like (maybe just once) to park it outside my house. Oh no, I can't because some lazy twat who doesn't live in the area, but has decided to drive to the tube, has parked his piece of shit banger outside my house.......

    Sorry. Rant over!
    • CommentAuthorLucy
    • CommentTimeNov 24th 2006
     

    what a lovely read.

    I've voted for Islington, having lived in the borough for over 7 years now. Still hate their parking stuff though and Fordie, don't ask for CPZ, it's not worth it!

    • CommentAuthorDavid
    • CommentTimeNov 25th 2006
     

    I feel this poll is null and void. Everyone is just voting for the side they live in. We could have just published stats on users locations for the same result.

    Otherwise, we would have won, obviously.

    • CommentAuthorLiz
    • CommentTimeNov 26th 2006
     

    Obviously.

    And whatever the outcome, at least we can all be grateful that we don't live in Hackney.

    • CommentAuthorandy
    • CommentTimeNov 26th 2006
     

    Something for us all to agree on.

    • CommentAuthorDavid
    • CommentTimeNov 26th 2006
     

    Have you been to London Fields Lido or Broadway market recently? It's poncier than Islington proper.

    • CommentAuthorEwan
    • CommentTimeNov 26th 2006
     
    Hi,

    I've found the debate very entertaining and strangely had given the issue some thought previously. There is a similar situation in highgate village high street with the same two boroughs. harringey wins on that particular front in my opinion.

    I live in the Harringey side so out of loyalty will vote for my home borough. Also Islington is home to chicky chicken on crouch hill where I once got a takeaway from and was very ill! my own error of judgement was to blame though, as opposed to the borough.
    • CommentAuthorandy
    • CommentTimeNov 26th 2006
     
    Hello Ewan.

    Filthy chicken is evenly distributed across London, so that's hardly a factor.
    • CommentAuthorDavid
    • CommentTimeNov 27th 2006 edited
     

    Filthy Halal meat shops arent' though. Serious concentration of them on the lower Islington side.

    • CommentAuthorLucy
    • CommentTimeNov 27th 2006
     

    argh it's 50 - 50! Have you been rigging the votes David?

    • CommentAuthorDavid
    • CommentTimeNov 27th 2006
     

    No I haven't. I never do. Not even when ignorant people vote against lovely waffles without trying them first.

    • CommentAuthortosscat
    • CommentTimeDec 11th 2006
     
    If "the Old Dairy/Larrik crossroads" really is the centre of SG, can we start calling it Fiveways?
    • CommentAuthorandy
    • CommentTimeJan 15th 2007
     

    I have just looked up some old election results: http://www.islington.gov.uk/Council/Political/VotingAndElections/CurrentElections/electionresults2006.asp

    Richard Watts recieved 1,312 votes in the Tollington Ward, which he has now declared for Islington in the Islington v Haringey debate.

    I've got a good mind to allocate them on the survey unless someone can trump me with a Haringey councillor.

    Or Jeremy Corbyn, then it's game over.

    • CommentAuthorDavid
    • CommentTimeJan 16th 2007 edited
     
    • CommentAuthorandy
    • CommentTimeJan 16th 2007
     

    She has to register on the forum

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    I think i can speak for all my voters when i say Islington is best... (cough)
    • CommentAuthorDavid
    • CommentTimeJan 17th 2007
     

    I don't think Andy has lost a forum survey before, that's why he's busy trying to move the goal posts I assume.

    • CommentAuthorLucy
    • CommentTimeJan 17th 2007
     

    I cannot believe that haringey is winning or is their parking better?

    • CommentAuthorDavid
    • CommentTimeJan 17th 2007
     

    Don't dispair lucy, as I said before, I think this vote is a little hackneyed as everyone is simply going to vote for the area they live in, so more a reflection of geography rather than which side is better.

    There. Aren't I nice, softening the blow for you that our side is far superior to yours?

    • CommentAuthorandy
    • CommentTimeJan 17th 2007
     

    If hackneyed can be a verb, then surely 'haringeyed' and 'islintgoned' should be words too.

    • CommentAuthorPete
    • CommentTimeJan 17th 2007
     
    Croydened?

    Finsburied has something about it.
    • CommentAuthorDavid
    • CommentTimeJan 17th 2007
     

    Swindoned has something Paul Newmaned/Robert Shawed about it.

    • CommentAuthorgeoff
    • CommentTimeJan 2nd 2008
     
    I think that only people who have moved from one to the other have any real authority here.

    I have just moved and am undecided; I will let you all know the definitive answer in due course.
    • CommentAuthorColette
    • CommentTimeJan 2nd 2008
     
    I moved from one to the other. I can't really tell the difference. I'm only about 20metres into Haringey though.
    • CommentAuthorLiz
    • CommentTimeJan 3rd 2008
     

    Me too, though I am slightly further into Harringey, but not much. Main difference is that the bin men come about 6.30 in the morning every Tuesday and wake me up. Grrrr.

    • CommentAuthorGiles
    • CommentTimeJan 3rd 2008
     
    The Haringey pavement of SGR is gritted, Islington side isn't.
    • CommentAuthorColette
    • CommentTimeJan 3rd 2008
     
    Seriously? I've never noticed. That's ace.
    • CommentAuthorColette
    • CommentTimeJan 4th 2008
     
    I looked this morning, and it's true. What's more, the Haringey side of the pavement is wet, the Islington side is bone dry. All the way down.
    • CommentAuthorPoxy
    • CommentTimeJan 4th 2008
     
    Better weather in Islington or have the street cleaners been down the Haringey side?
    • CommentAuthorLiz_C
    • CommentTimeJan 12th 2008
     
    Islington is definitely better. I don't like yellow so couldn't vote for Haringey.
    • CommentAuthorRJP
    • CommentTimeMar 12th 2008
     
    I think that the actual green was on the eastern side of the road, therefore Stroud Green properly belongs in Hornsey.
    • CommentAuthorColette
    • CommentTimeMar 12th 2008
     
    ha! 1-0 Haringey.
    • CommentAuthortosscat
    • CommentTimeMar 13th 2008
     

    How does the scoring work Colette, I'm confused.

    • CommentAuthorkatiejane
    • CommentTimeMar 13th 2008
     
    Errr - they're both as shit, obstructive, fragmented, inefficient and infuriating as each other??

    I've lived in both - Islington as a tenant, Haringey as a council leaseholder (aaargh!), and they both suck.

    Islington has a better newspaper though. And has Camidoc at the Whittington - get in there early at the weekend, there's no waiting and you bypass your shit GP.

    Oh, and Haringey's logo is shit.

    There - spleen duly vented!
    • CommentAuthortosscat
    • CommentTimeMar 13th 2008
     

    I like the logo, it reminds me of the CE town hall.

    And I love the enigmatic spelling.

    • CommentAuthorAli
    • CommentTimeMar 14th 2008
     
    It is supposed to represent (what you see on the Welcome signs and at either end of the logo above ) the Radio/TV Waves coming out of Alexander Palace transmitter which I guess makes Haringey the original home of British Television !
    • CommentAuthordominic
    • CommentTimeMar 14th 2008
     
    This one?



    Did they rebrand from the one at the top?
    • CommentAuthordominic
    • CommentTimeMar 14th 2008
     
    Having wasted five minutes looking at other london council logos, i think we do OK. Look at these:



    • CommentAuthortosscat
    • CommentTimeMar 14th 2008
     

    Oh lord it has been rebranded hasn't it - the one on the welcome sign has a lovely Festival of Britain feel to it.

    I'll take photo and try to post it somewhere on here.

    Has Enfield moved to Wales during the earthquake?

    • CommentAuthormatt
    • CommentTimeMar 17th 2008 edited
     

    I'm so confused by this typesetting:

    did they actually specify the old Apple Chicago typeface, or was the font missing when it went to the sign makers?

    Haringey Council

    • CommentAuthorandy
    • CommentTimeMar 17th 2008
     

    I quite like that new logo (though I think it will date quickly) Reminds me of this:

    http://www.underconsideration.com/speakup/archives/003066.html

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