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    • CommentAuthortosscat
    • CommentTimeMay 2nd 2008
     

    broken?

    • CommentAuthorGiles
    • CommentTimeMay 2nd 2008
     
    Seems OK - eerily quiet though.
    • CommentAuthorPoxy
    • CommentTimeMay 2nd 2008
     
    It's a bit of a miserable day to be fair. Early indications on the mayoral vote do not look good.
    • CommentAuthorDavid
    • CommentTimeMay 2nd 2008
     

    Surely for a day to be miserable you need the majority of people to be miserable. I thought the majority usually ended up happy after a day of voting.

    That said, I only know one pro-Tory person. Where are they all coming from?

    • CommentAuthortosscat
    • CommentTimeMay 2nd 2008
     

    Dumb ass places like Bromley where all they fixate on is the cost of petrol.

    • CommentAuthorColette
    • CommentTimeMay 2nd 2008
     
    I'm miserable
    • CommentAuthorDavid
    • CommentTimeMay 2nd 2008 edited
     

    On the upside, the only I can find amongst his policies, Boris wants to bring back routemasters and bus conductors.

    My grandad was a bus conductor. When my mum had to work during summer holidays when we were kids he'd babysit us by putting us on his bus and taking us round and round Barking with him all day. It was brill. Boris would turn my transport journeys into wonderfully nostalgic trips.

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    @David - For that to be true, the majority of people have to vote. Voter turnout is estimated to be 45%, which is actually pretty high for this country.

    I am unashamed to admit that I was one of the 55% who did not vote. Having lived under Soviet communism, where elections were (and still are) a sham, I refuse to vote for a lesser of evils. I am very uncomfortable with the idea of voting for Boris, but I would rather slit my wrists than support Ken. Ken has a polarising effect on the city. Someone asked me once if I thought that Ken is antisemitic. I don't think that he is, but I do think that he believes that hinting at the fact helps him get the Muslim vote. Maybe it does, maybe it doesn't, but I'm certain that he's considered it. I've met this man. He's that kind of a scumbag. I will never put a cross by his name.

    Boris, on the other hand, would be a disaster. So how does a girl choose?

    I'm not voting in the US election, either, but that's more because I don't feel like I should have a say in the matter. I may have a US passport, but I haven't lived there in 7 years.
    • CommentAuthorGiles
    • CommentTimeMay 2nd 2008
     
    There was more than just the mayoral election - which was as you say the choice between the devil and the deep blue sea. There's the assembly, as Andy said elsewhere, which might just keep whichever liability gets in in check ( hopefully ).
    • CommentAuthorandy
    • CommentTimeMay 2nd 2008
     

    I refuse to vote for a lesser of evils

    In that case, you'll never vote. It's like the end of 'Some like it hot', "Nobody's perfect!"

    Voting and democracy doesn't lend itself to intellectually pure idealistic positions. It lends itself to Ken v Boris. You either make compromises or you don't play.

    But if you don't play, you can't complain.

    • CommentAuthorDavid
    • CommentTimeMay 2nd 2008 edited
     

    Some strong emotions there resulting in doing nothing. Odd that I came to the same conclusion and non-action by simply not caring enough. I'd like to say it was ambivalence but its not.

    Anyone know of a zoo/reserve where I could actually hold/cuddle a monkey?

    • CommentAuthorandy
    • CommentTimeMay 2nd 2008
     

    Also, whilst it is among his policies, he won't be able to bring back Routemasters for two reasons:

    i) they're too expensive ii) no-one will build them for him, because the insurance liability for falling off them is so high iii) it'd be a total waste of money to retire all the existing fleet.

    So apart from price, supply and implementation, it's brilliant.

    • CommentAuthorDavid
    • CommentTimeMay 2nd 2008 edited
     

    I think he was going to hold a competition to design a modernised routemaster. But then what's the point, if you can't hang off the back its a waste of time.

    If I haven't voted, but then Boris doesn't give me a routemaster like he said he would, have I forfeited my right to moan?

    • CommentAuthorandy
    • CommentTimeMay 2nd 2008
     

    If you want to moan about an imaginary policy not being fulfilled by a politician elected in an election you didn't vote in, go right ahead.

    You can moan about other imaginary campaign failures if you like, like Romano Prodi's failure to reintroduce unicorns to Regent's Park, or Sarkozy's inability to train rhinos to fly helicopters.

    Not sure it'll do much good though.

    • CommentAuthorandy
    • CommentTimeMay 2nd 2008
     

    I think we should split the job. Ken can be "Mayor of London (0207)" and Boris can be "Mayor of London (0208)"

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    @Andy - I don't think that's true. I've voted in the past for candidates who weren't perfect, but who did not make me as disgusted as these two. You don't need to be in love with the candidate, but nor should you be embarrassed to support him.

    As for the assembly, I honestly don't know anything about any of the candidates. It's my fault entirely, but it really would've been a complete stab in the dark. And that's not what voting is about.

    It's really frightening how ignorant most voters are. Every time I hear someone say that the NHS if funded with NI contributions, I want to put a big "too stupid to vote" sigh on their forehead. I was watching a programme the other day about the outcry re not getting a referendum on the EU constitution. Fine, let's have a referendum. But before a person is allowed to vote, they should be tested on the content of the document in question. If you can't be arsed to read it, then you shouldn't get the chance to vote on it.

    But you're right about complaining. I did not vote, so I shouldn't complain when Boris fucks up.
    • CommentAuthorandy
    • CommentTimeMay 2nd 2008
     

    Yesterday I was talking to a person whose judgement I normally rate, who is bright, educated, curious and said they had voted for Boris 'for a laugh because he's funny'

    I came away from that thinking that even with tests, people still make (what I consider) to be bloody stupid choices.

    • CommentAuthorDavid
    • CommentTimeMay 2nd 2008
     

    Brilliant. Does this mean I can complain about the lack of inner city monkey holding facilities?

    • CommentAuthorandy
    • CommentTimeMay 2nd 2008
     

    I think you'd be mad not to. I believe UKIP made a strong stand on it. In their manifesto it said:

    "No god fearing Englishman should ever be less than a furlong from the warm embrace of a gibbon"

    • CommentAuthorColette
    • CommentTimeMay 2nd 2008 edited
     
    @ David - if you make your way to City Hall - I'm sure Boris would let you cuddle him for a few minutes.
    • CommentAuthorDavid
    • CommentTimeMay 2nd 2008
     

    I've found this, but its not in N4 and states "There is no direct contact between Keepers for a Day and the monkeys" I mean, that's the primate equivalent of a routemaster with no open back.

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    I vaguely remember a time when people owned monkeys as pets. Whatever happened to those people? Or, more importantly, those monkeys...

    I would absolutely support any candidate that proposed a monkey-related policy. But before they're allowed to vote, people should have to explain the difference between monkeys and apes.
    • CommentAuthorColette
    • CommentTimeMay 2nd 2008
     
    @ Andy - nice plan, but I'm 0208 and I'm only 10 metres away from SGR. I'd have to move.
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    @David - So, basically you pay £150 to clean up monkey poo for a day? Oh, and you get a t-shirt.
    • CommentAuthorDavid
    • CommentTimeMay 2nd 2008 edited
     

    Yeah rubbish isn't it? Apenheul Primate Park sounds much better.

    "Apenheul Primate Park opened in 1971 as a small primate park with a revolutionary concept: to allow the monkeys freedom of movement and allow them to mingle with the visitors"

    But Apeldoorn isn't quite N4 either.

    • CommentAuthorandy
    • CommentTimeMay 2nd 2008
     

    Wasn't there a post on here once that started "back in the 70s my dad won a monkey in a poker game" or am I completely losing it?

    • CommentAuthorandy
    • CommentTimeMay 2nd 2008
     

    Thank god for that I thought I was going crazy.

    • CommentAuthorColette
    • CommentTimeMay 2nd 2008
     
    And so we have gone from elections to monkeys.
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    I was in Lopburi in Thailand in February. You can't move without stepping on a monkey. The blasted things are everywhere. Sure, they are cute at first, but the novelty wears off after 20 minutes.

    The people have trained them to drink Yakult, which is very amusing to watch.

    Monkey at Phra Kaan Shrine, Lopburi
    • CommentAuthorDavid
    • CommentTimeMay 2nd 2008
     
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    That is most impressive.

    Now I want my very own orangutan. I would teach it to vacuum the stairs.
    • CommentAuthorIan
    • CommentTimeMay 2nd 2008
     
    @collette @andy The code for London is 020. Just 020. Try dialling a friend in London but not dialling the 020. Whatever the next number was you will still reach them.

    Some phone numbers start with a 8, some with a 7, some with a 3, but they could start with a 1-9 and it wouldn't matter. They would all still have the trunk code 020. There is no such thing as the (0208) area, nor do London numbers starting with 7 (such as mine) have any relevance to the geography. There. That's got that off my chest.
    • CommentAuthorandy
    • CommentTimeMay 2nd 2008
     

    Thanks Ian. You're a big nerd. Did you write this fascinating wikipedia article on the subject? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/0207_&_0208

    Can we call Ken "Mayor of London (Zones 1-3)" and Boris "Mayor of London (Zones 4+)" or are you going to write an ranty post about the zoning policies of London Overground?

    • CommentAuthorLucy
    • CommentTimeMay 2nd 2008
     

    to add to the monkey discussion:

    @David - there are monkeys that you can have as pets - capuchins and marmosets are the main ones I think! Not very nice for the monkey though - they need constant attention, even more than Plum!

    @andy - gibbons are apes.

    • CommentAuthorandy
    • CommentTimeMay 2nd 2008
     

    @ lucy. I know. UKIP don't know anything. They promise monkeys and give us apes. More broken promises.

    • CommentAuthorandy
    • CommentTimeMay 2nd 2008 edited
     

    That wikipedia article is written in such an indignant tone. I love the phrase 'incorrectly placed pauses'. I imagine it was written by Moss from the IT crowd.

    Numerous examples of incorrectly formatted telephone numbers may still be seen in and around London, including signwriting on shopfronts and commercial vehicles, and in newspaper advertisements. The incorrectly-placed pauses are also heard in speech everywhere: in radio and television advertisements, and said by office workers misquoting their office numbers as "0207 ... ...." - unaware that this simply perpetuates the confusion.

    • CommentAuthorIan
    • CommentTimeMay 2nd 2008
     
    Wish I had written it. And rather a nerd than an idiot.
    • CommentAuthorandy
    • CommentTimeMay 2nd 2008
     

    Everyone in London who incorrectly pauses between the fourth and fifth numbers of their phone number is an idiot and shouldn't be allowed to vote.

    I mean, an incorrect pause! How stupid are some people?

    The pause should correctly come after the second 0.

    Morons.I mean I ask you.

    • CommentAuthorColette
    • CommentTimeMay 2nd 2008
     
    @Ian. I know, but thanks. Also, it's Colette. That's one "L".
    • CommentAuthorIan
    • CommentTimeMay 2nd 2008 edited
     
    @colette - just glad to give you the chance to patronise.
    • CommentAuthorShaunG
    • CommentTimeMay 2nd 2008
     
    Ancient Greek democracy? Compulsory voting, but no votes for women or slaves. I'm willing to bet that would return Boris by a landslide. But it's true that in ancient Athens everyone knew their correct telephone trunk code.
    • CommentAuthorandy
    • CommentTimeMay 2nd 2008
     

    Aristotle never incorrectly paused when giving out his phone number. He did once say "PIN number" and was never forgiven by the editors of greekipedia.

    He voted GreekIP, then Boris with his second preference.

    • CommentAuthortosscat
    • CommentTimeMay 2nd 2008
     

    Yay Ian.

    A big pet noire for me - 020 shite.

    All or nothing on here, all or nothing.

    when's it announced?

    • CommentAuthorsophie
    • CommentTimeMay 2nd 2008
     
    oh god. i can't believe this is actually happening.
    • CommentAuthorPoxy
    • CommentTimeMay 3rd 2008
     
    Is it time to declare the independence of the Socialist Republic of Stroud Green?
    • CommentAuthorLiz
    • CommentTimeMay 3rd 2008
     

    I can't find a nice coloured in map anywhere for the Mayoral results, but looking at the BBC site, it's not even so much inner/outer London as affluent/less affluent London. The boroughs where Ken won form a sort of diagonal line from North to South East London - Enfield and Haringey, North East, City and East, Lambeth and Southwark and Greenwich and Lewisham. The other constituency which elected Ken was Brent and Harrow, for obvious reasons.

    Grrr. Now I'm torn - part of me hopes he massively fucks it up, so casting doubt on the Tories ability to run things effectively, but then I'm not sure how much I'm personally prepared to suffer for the cause - I think I'm more pro-London than pro-Labour.

    • CommentAuthorDavid
    • CommentTimeMay 3rd 2008
     

    When I first moved to Stroud Green the first thing Andy asked me was did I have an 0207 or 0208 number. He's looked down his nose at me ever since.

    • CommentAuthorShaunG
    • CommentTimeMay 3rd 2008
     
    If you look at the results for Bexley & Bromley, they voted for Boris in such numbers as to almost account for Boris's overall winning margin. So if we find ourselves suffering (though I suspect he may just turn into a non-event with little noticeable impact) we know who to blame.

    (I realise I'm opening myself up now for this thread to turn into attacks on split infinitives...)