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Ventured to the Noble tonight. Grim. Full of shouting people in enormous groups, drinking jugs of alcopops and snapping vacuous Facebook flash photographs. Atmosphere reminiscent of a sub-polytechnic student union bar or wet tee-shirt competition. Demise of supposed gastropub.
Well, a bar is defined by its customers, I suppose. Shame.
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The Moon Under Water, by George Orwell
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Much as we like The Noble is quite small and dark and we found it difficult to spread ourselves out. Also, as we were relaunching (it had turned into more of a getting pissed club rather than knitting club), we thought a change would be good. We do still like The Noble very much, and we may return there in the future. The sofas and coffee table by the front windows in the Stapleton are ideal and there are lamps for when it starts getting dark. If anyone wants to join us, we will be there from 8ish on Thursday nights.
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Yikes! Who, what, when, where, how, why and how much?
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Last week this week. It has been bought by the owners of the Highbury Barn. Will close for a week I believe and then re-open. They have kept on the same bar and kitchen staff, other than Adam the owner obviously.
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I remember delivering fruit juice to that place when it first opened back in the 80's.
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What was the original name of that pub ( ie Victorian name) I am doing a project on old pubs of N4. Any info on origins of others please let me know . (I already have Osborn Tavern Walter Scott and earl of Essex histories tho). But does anyone know about place called DanzieBar ?Chang
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I'd like to hear anything that you find, Chang.
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Old boozers in SG, ChangN4N6? I'm 103, will I do for an interview? The Danzi Bar was the first reincarnation of the Stapleton and was a club for Tottenham drugsters funded by some Malays. Crap place but if you went to the toilets before the bar you get out yer head just breathing. Made for a most economic night.
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Hence I guess the slogan on an old poster I found at the library 'every nite is party nite at Danzibar' . I am assuming the Lion of Mortimer used to be shops rather than another pub. That does not look like a Place for a Party Nite.
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The Lion of Mortimer was definitely a pub in the late 90's. Not sure about before then. It was called something else though, Moon under Water or something? Not sure if it was a Weatherspoons already then.
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Was the White Lion not the first ever Weatherspoon's pub?
The Noble was previously The Big Fat Sofa and before that a gay pub called The Flag. -
WL of M was a car showroom when I moved here in 76 but soon got done up as the WL in its first incarnation with the bar in the middle.
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Wl of M was a second hand car showroom in the early 60's as was Chritopher Charles the Estate Agent on the corner of Stroud Green and Tollington Park.
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There's already another detailed thread about this on here somewhere.
My friend Bob who is a Stroud Green dinosaur insists that WLM was not a car showroom, that was where the 'florist' is. He says WLM used to be a carpet shop. I have no idea as I wasn't around here that long ago. Wasn't The Noble also an early Wetherspoons?
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Danzibar was what the Stapleton was before it was the Larrik and before (I think) it was called something else Stapleton-like.
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Misscara- I think the Noble was the first pub bought by the guy who owns Weatherspoons bought.
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From my memory since the mid 90s it was the Stapleton Arms, Danzibar, Bla Blas, the Larrick and now the Stapleton again.
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As far as I remember WLM was a carpet shop and something else - 2 shops were knocked through to make the pub.
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As chronicled on another thread the Stapleton has the longest history in the area, going back to at least the 1760s under the Stapleton name (and previously apparently as 'the Green Man'). It is originlly supposed to have been housed in old Stapleton Hall which is the Medieval/Tudor building just up the road, and moved from there about a hundred years ago or so. Stapleton is the name of the family that owned the land around here.
And as we all know (but perhaps you're new to this Chang) there is a Mayor and Corporation of Stroud Green (drinking club) dating back to the 1760s, connected to the Stapleton, whose badge hangs just inside the door. Does anyone know when the next Mayoral Meeting is? -
Thank you. Does anyone know the story of Chapter One - is seems always to be closed and looks like it could be a good venue. The StaPleton Hall Tavern was a well known rock venue in the 70s someone told me. U2 played there. Must have been loud!
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Hmmm. Could Dotori move to Chapter One?
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I think Chapter One used to be ok when it first opened. It had more of a cafe/bar feel to it. Then they changed the interior completely and it just became 'the bar that didn't really know what it was', in my mind.
It has been a bar since at least 2005?
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U2 played the Stapleton?
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I can very well visualise Bono staring dramatically down SGR. What did he climb on I wonder?
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Chapter One was a good local venue for music. Agree with Kaz it was much better before they changed it. Unfortunately in latter years they had some dodgy people running it and it attracted some really shady characters. I still used to go now & again though, and met a lot of my Stroud Green friends there and had some good times. It always had a good atmosphere, and you'd get everyone going there after the pubs shut on a weekend so it was a bit of a melting pot for different groups of people. I suppose Silver Bullet is like that now. Shame Sugar Lounge hasn't got the same vibe, seems to be going downhill rapidly.
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We need a good lively rick and dance pub/venue round here with no skanks and younger majority. SL is good and the women tend to be friendly but it ain't a real party vibe . It sounds like K2 was bit prob a bit ethnic for my taste in music . Anyway sadly that has been shut and I never got to it. Is Silver Bullet worth the trip ? Chang
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'prob a bit ethnic'
I take back what I said about thinking I was going to like you.
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I don't think there's anything wrong with him saying that. Why do people always assume the negative?
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Chang - Re. Silver Bullet - depends what you're into, make sure you check out their website to see what's on as the types of bands playing vary enormously from week to week. It's a good venue and not too expensive, plus a short stagger back to Stroud Green. Worth it in my opinion!
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I hate African music but love African food and dubstep. Free country ain't it?
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I think it's a stupid and crass phrase regardless of intent. Indeed if not used with negative intent then it's an ignorant thing to say. English is an ethnicity. And if Caribbean music is 'ethnic' then all music is ethnic.
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Let alone 'African', which isn't an ethnicity either.
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I don't think Chang meant to offend anyone, bloomin' semantics on here again... chill out Arky!!!
Anyway, what a lovely evening... anyone out on the SG Riviera this evening? Remember it's Barboot up at Crouch End tonight too, worth a look if you want to buy handmade goods and enjoy a nice walk around CE sampling the deights each venue has to offer.
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(A gentleman never offends someone by mistake.)
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Chapter One used to do cheap food. Mezze-type dishes. You could get three for £10, which was enough food for two people. It was so cheap, you could overlook the fact that the beer was overpriced.
Then they got rid of the food and changed the decor to an eye-gouging colour scheme. I went there exactly once. I had locked myself out of the flat, and it was the only place open.
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Disappointed in you locals. Very unfriendly. Am off back to N6 soon as I have the money and can escape my in-laws, God bless em. Miserable place this. Chang .
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@ ChangN4N6.........
Your going BACK to N6 !
Sooo , you're a bloody foreigner are you ?
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Don't forget that Nando's used to be a pub , affectionately remembered as the Tolly...
And Davies & Davies was where I used to get outfitted for my school uniforms for Stroud Green Junior and Stationers Company School ( now gone to the old school cemetery in the sky ).
Oh , the Old Dairy was a odds n sods shop called Pams.
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I had a lovely time in The Noble this evening and I shall miss it in its present incarnation. Many thanks to all (staff and punters) who made it such a pleasant place to be x
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Every time you post, Firenze, I wonder about your nom de plume. Have you some connection with Florence? I lived there off and on in the 80's, and loved the place.
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@checkski Just the road. Pretentious, moi?
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There is Orleans on Seven Sisters Rd, open well into the early hours and has a dance floor. I think the music is hip-hop/rap/r'n'b-ish, but I could be wrong as there was a lot of rum involved when I went there.
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Orleans have a mod night once a month which has been going for a decade or more, and is very well-regarded by those in that scene. Bit of an anomaly given the rest of their events, but it seems to work. Silver Bullet I had thought was going to be a boon to the area, but after the way they screwed over a friend who had a night there (double-booking a new regular Friday over her pre-arranged bimonthly night, which she only found out via their general mailout), I can only conclude that the management are imbeciles.
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Tom here from The Silver Bullet.
Just a quick note to address your comments @ADGS...
The double-booking you're referring to was unfortunate and we tried to resolve things with the Black Plastic girls as soon as it was identified, by being as flexible as possible about the format of their night so it could still go ahead as planned. As you rightly point out, it was our mistake that they found out about this from our general mailout, rather than a direct communication from us.
I can assure you that we're pretty competent at what we do and I can only apologise that since we're human, mistakes are sometimes made! All our current promoters, as well as the promoters we've worked with in the past have always been impressed with our level of professionalism and friendliness, so it's a shame to judge us on one small slip-up!
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