Stroud Green Border
  • Papa L

    Twinspark. Great info and that sounds like it was a good find in the attic.

    However, stretching the southern border down to Seven Sisters Road and heading off east into those fields and pastures, while not allowing anything west of Stroud Green Road (not even going the one road west to pull in the brilliant Park Tavern or Regina Road) seems odd.

    Is there a dark reason behind your anti-western sentiment?

  • ArkadyArkady
    Between SGR and Hornsey Road is Tollington, surely? I know the name has largely fallen put of use (like Hornsey Vale, hence some of the confusion over SG's northern boundary above), but it has a Tollington Community Centre, and a very old pedigree too, just Like Stroud and Hornsey...
  • twinspark
    @Papa L
    love the Park Tavern and as I told tosscat, we would claim that through a short corridor on Tolly Park to Charteris rd. as for the rest the reason it's not Stroud Green is because it's not Stroud Green - might br FP or Tollington but not SG.
  • Ian

    @twinspark - on such exhausting "just cos" reasons the whole of humanity has been steeped in conflict. Here's a thought - self definition...

  • dion

    try www.upperholloway.org

  • krappyrubsnifkrappyrubsnif
    @twinspark, if your find includes original material I think Hornsey Historical Society would be interested, you really ought to show it to them.

    I've read whatever I could get my hands on about 'old Stroud Green' over the years and there were a few things new to me here. Where did you learn about there being a toll gate on Stapleton Hall Road? Too small, surely? And the bit about the buses turning outside the Larrik (which makes sense, the hill over to Crouch End was probably too steep)? The roadway outside the Larrik is still cobbled.

    I have a local history book somewhere that includes a watercolour of an old farmhouse at Fiveways, around 1800, which I think must have stood at the bottom of the hill occupying the same space outside the Larrik / STapleton Hall Tavern where the engine shop is now....there was probably a village green there.

    There is also a remarkable little metal badge dated about 1760 which is kept at the V&A somewhere, which is inscribed 'Mayor and Corporation of Stroud Green'. Apparently about that time it was the habit of certain bibulous City gents to get the coach up from Holborn to the Stapeleton Hall Tavern (then a country pub) at weekends for meetings of a drinking club. That's what they called themselves - Maypr and Corporation of Stroud green. That was before the present pub was built and the Stapeleton Hall Tavern was actually in the old Stapleton Hall mansion (still there). I think we should resurrect this club!

    When I can be arsed I'll scan the pictures and post them here.

    I asked the V&A about the badge once but they said they didn't know what I was talking about. They may have lost it. It needs an acquisition number. Someone will have to go down there with a picture.
  • bluejack
    Here's the thing: 'stroud green' as used in this forum is a term signifying a vague concept of place built on the shared, but individual experiences of the members. It's a group idea with fuzzy boundaries.

    So to define it, the best way may be for each member to centre a circle on the place they live, with the circumference at a place that they might regularly walk to - the ensuing circle will be a rough area of walkability, which will be a reasonable proxy for 'my idea of stroud green'. Add all the circles together, and the overlap gives the core, shared area of 'stroudgreen' and the whole area occupied by circles will represent the fuzzy outer limits. Now why didn't I think of that before. Or has someone already done it? Of course, it doesn't work for me because I live south of the border, down Hackney way...
  • erehwon
    Hmmm A house near here, Evershot, I saw described as "Lower Crouch End" by the estate agent. Anybody seen other examples?
  • Ian

    @bluejack. Good idea, and as you are an outsider, a great example of liberal interventionism in border disputes.

  • andy
    bluejack - i love it. You can argue all you like about "Stroud Green", but stroudgreen is a state of mind.

    Of course, it will all become obvious when Stroud Green is the place where local shopkeepers are all wearing headcams.
  • ArkadyArkady
    Please can someone reinstate the border on the google map on the front page? I'd love to know how to play around with borders on google maps myself if anyone knows how...

    Arky
  • Slabber
    In that map of the wards, everything to the east of Green Lanes is Lib Dem and everything to the West is Labour except Bounds Green, Noel Park and Harringay which are all 2-1 to the Lib Dems, giving Labour 30 councillors and Lib Dems 27. The Lib Dems need to take 2 out of the 3 Labour seats in those three marginal wards to get control of Haringey.
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