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http://www.hornseyjournal.co.uk/content/haringey/hornseyjournal/news/story.aspx?brand=HCEJOnline&category=news&tBrand=northlondon24&tCategory=newshcej&itemid=WeED18%20Jul%202007%2016%3A02%3A56%3A143
<a href="http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Albert+Rd,+Haringey,+London+N4,+United+Kingdom&sll=51.60136,-0.13175&sspn=0.069732,0.110722&ie=UTF8&cd=3&mpnum=0&ll=51.59992,-0.135226&spn=0.008717,0.01384&z=16&om=1">Muswell Hill</a>
That's not to say that the journalist is referring to the correct junction, natch.
Looks sheepish.
Mind you, that Albert rd is N22, so is that Muswell Hill, or is it really Alexandra Park, or even Wood Green....
Skulks back into a dark corner.
how about that then? or should it go further up crouch hill?
Upper Tollington Park
Stroud Green Road/Crouch Hill
The Broadway/Topsfield Parade/Tottenham Lane
The railway line
Everything outside of this is Finsbury Park or Upper Holloway or Crouch End or Harringay.
It's basically the bit up on the hill with the precious reservoir.
I don't understand why people include areas to the west of SGR as Stroud Green. Like most roads it is named after the place it leads to, not the place it runs through.
Eastern perimeter is where Tollington Park bends to meet Oakfield Rd., before railway and park gates.
Southern perimeter is where SGR and Seven Sisters meet inc. a sliver of SGR down to station and back uo to Worlds End then East around SG school and through to Tollington Park.
Western perimeter is SGR itself then Crouch Hill up to Mountview Rd.
Basially NOT Finsbury Park, Not Hornsey Vale, Not the ladder.
'..centre on what is now the Old Dairy / Larrik crossroads....'
That's right all of Stapleton Hall, Ferme Park, Weston Park and Hornesy Vale was pasture in early through to mid 1860's.
The Larrik would have been Stapleton Hall Tavern with rooms and a livery . The Dairy was actually functioning as exactly that, cattle were driven and rested there, a toll paid to graze etc. and then their milk sold to the dairy following morning before continuing on to market at Smithfield. The toll gate was run by Stapleton Hall on SHR and which still stands as the oldest building in Haringey - next to the W3 bus stop and formerly the Hornsey tory club in Hugh Rossi's day with 5 fantastic conker trees in the car park, the scoundrels sold up in mid-80's and converted into flats, chopped the tree and added the wings to the building you see now.
Info is from an attic find of old photo's, household bills etc. from first occupants of house. I remember Stapleton Hall Tavern and the Tory club with it's prefab snooker room and the Dairy before it was a pub had hardware shopon the corner with a car bodyshop behind it with in & out gateways and cobbled yard.
Enjoy the idea that SG was established as a place before Crouch End and FP though - and west of SGR is most definitely not SG! -except the Park Tavern which we will claim via a corridor.
love the Park Tavern and as I told tosscat, we would claim that through a short corridor on Tolly Park to Charteris rd. as for the rest the reason it's not Stroud Green is because it's not Stroud Green - might br FP or Tollington but not SG.
I've read whatever I could get my hands on about 'old Stroud Green' over the years and there were a few things new to me here. Where did you learn about there being a toll gate on Stapleton Hall Road? Too small, surely? And the bit about the buses turning outside the Larrik (which makes sense, the hill over to Crouch End was probably too steep)? The roadway outside the Larrik is still cobbled.
I have a local history book somewhere that includes a watercolour of an old farmhouse at Fiveways, around 1800, which I think must have stood at the bottom of the hill occupying the same space outside the Larrik / STapleton Hall Tavern where the engine shop is now....there was probably a village green there.
There is also a remarkable little metal badge dated about 1760 which is kept at the V&A somewhere, which is inscribed 'Mayor and Corporation of Stroud Green'. Apparently about that time it was the habit of certain bibulous City gents to get the coach up from Holborn to the Stapeleton Hall Tavern (then a country pub) at weekends for meetings of a drinking club. That's what they called themselves - Maypr and Corporation of Stroud green. That was before the present pub was built and the Stapeleton Hall Tavern was actually in the old Stapleton Hall mansion (still there). I think we should resurrect this club!
When I can be arsed I'll scan the pictures and post them here.
I asked the V&A about the badge once but they said they didn't know what I was talking about. They may have lost it. It needs an acquisition number. Someone will have to go down there with a picture.
So to define it, the best way may be for each member to centre a circle on the place they live, with the circumference at a place that they might regularly walk to - the ensuing circle will be a rough area of walkability, which will be a reasonable proxy for 'my idea of stroud green'. Add all the circles together, and the overlap gives the core, shared area of 'stroudgreen' and the whole area occupied by circles will represent the fuzzy outer limits. Now why didn't I think of that before. Or has someone already done it? Of course, it doesn't work for me because I live south of the border, down Hackney way...
Of course, it will all become obvious when Stroud Green is the place where local shopkeepers are all wearing headcams.