Boris’s Bendy Bus Conundrum

AliAli
edited June 2008 in Local discussion
I was looking around the Boris watch site the other day and came across this below.
Causes bit of a conundrum for Boris. If you click the link you end up with a site that tells you every bus timetable in London Isn’t that anorak !

I’ve dug up the contract expiry dates for the various bendy bus routes - these *should* be the first opportunity for a phased withdrawal to start:
• Route - Start - Duration - End
• 12 - 31/07/2004 - 5 years - 31/07/2009
• 18 - 23/08/2003 - 5+2 years - 23/08/2010
• 25 - 26/06/2004 - 5 years - 26/06/2009
• 29 - 14/01/2006 - 5 years - 14/01/2011
• 38 - 20/07/2002 - 7 years - 20/07/2009
• 73 - 01/05/2004 - 5 years - 01/05/2009
• 149 - 18/10/2003 - 5+2 years - 18/10/2010
• 207 - 09/04/2005 - 5 years - 09/04/2010
• 436 - 09/02/2008 - 5 years - 09/02/2013
• 453 - 16/02/2008 - 5 years - 16/02/2013
• 507 - 01/06/2002 - 5+2 years - 01/06/2009
• 521 - 01/06/2002 - 5+2 years - 01/06/2009
You can see from that that we have the first two coming up for retendering within a few months, new contracts starting in June next year. Ironically they’re the original two bendy bus routes; short, frequent, high-capacity Red Arrow services for which only really a bendy bus is suitable, and which have been single decker since the 1960s. No scope for your new Routemaster on those, conventional double deckers aren’t suitable, so what’s it to be?
As for the other ten, four are up in 2009, 3 in 2010, one in 2011. The other two are scheduled to be bendy throughout Boris’s term in office, so it’ll be interesting to watch those. What’s noticeable is how badly the contract timings align with possible Routemaster stuff, by the time the thing’s off the drawing board most of the decisions on the equipment to use on bendy routes will have to have been taken.

Comments

  • edited 11:49AM
    I want trams. Every city I've been to with trams has a great feel around them. Melbourne, San Francisco & Amsterdam come to mind. Not Sheffield, mind you.
  • edited 11:49AM
    ... and you forgot Croydon. Trams are great.
  • LizLiz
    edited 11:49AM
    Nottingham too. Manchester has a tram type system in the centre which turns into a railway in the burbs. I'm sure someone will correct me on the details...
  • edited 11:49AM
    and Bordeaux has trams that are completely silent. More than once I nearly walked out in front of one (looking the wrong way). They're quite slow, so you've got time to get out of the way, but suddenly finding yourself stood in front of a bloody great big SILENT TRAIN is quite scary.
  • edited 11:49AM
    The Croydon ones are silent too, which is great, and they don't have aircon so are a bit like huge greenhouses, which is also great. Yay trams! Yay Boris.
  • edited 11:49AM
    It's me again, with my memories.

    London once had trams, as a lad I travelled on them quite a bit. That must have been in the late forties. The tram tunnel running under High Holborn, by Holborn underground station is used today by normal traffic (I think). The trams were double deckers and could be driven from either end. As everyone wanted to face the front when travelling the wooden seats had backs that could be simply moved over for the new direction. What I remember is that they were noisy and swayed a lot!!

    I have lived in Zurich for the past 35 years and Zurich has a super tram system - among other super things. The advantage is that tramways are always free of traffic so that timetables can be kept to. They are also real people-movers, quick and efficient.

    Only to be recommended. (just like the old Ally-Pally-push and pull).
  • LizLiz
    edited 11:49AM
    I'd forgotten about Zurich - that tram system is really good. The nice thing about them is that they have proper stops, so it's easier to go on them when you don't really know where you're going than it is with buses. In central Manchester they have little stations and everything. Maybe we should campaign for a tram up SGR?
  • LizLiz
    edited 11:49AM
    Or ask our friendly Islington Council Citizens Panel members to put in a bid....
  • IanIan
    edited 11:49AM
    Trams - buses that can't turn left or right. I believe they are the most expensive form of transport per passenger mile. Hopeless waste of money.
  • edited 11:49AM
    A waste perhaps, but not hopeless. There's a great vibe about them. Is there a green angle on them too? Or am I just wishfully thinking?
  • edited 11:49AM
    I don't know about costs per mile, but that doesn't seem very important to me if the other traffic flows so that other costs, nerves, time and energies are put to better things.
    I have to laugh when I read of the problems there are today getting to Finsbury Park Underground. God almighty, these problems were there in the 60s when we lived in Crouch End, at that time only 5 could stand in the bus! so we spent most of our time in the queue. We always assumed that things would get better...

    After all more than 40 years have passed!
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