Hi Simon. The line is very blurry. I think it's a ward in Haringey, but it's also (increasingly) used as 'anywhere near stroud green road'.

It's a hot topic. My strand on asking cabbies is also related to this (but it's so long since I've posted that I've forgotten how to do a link thingy).

It's almost better defined by where it isn't. It is definitely not:

Anywhere East of FP station Anywhere south of Hornsey Road Anywhere from Crouch Hill station west (though this is contentious...) Not sure where the northern border is - maybe the railway line?

Might I suggest Mount View Road as the northern boarder? I'm not biased or anything but if we say Crouch Hill Station then I'm out of bounds! ... but only just ;)

ok, first stab at a basic rectangle on the directory. I've zoomed it out one, just for a better whole view. if we can agree on the four outer corners, we can add points going in and out as we go making up a stroudgreen polygon. I love polygons.

Ah yes, it wasn't working on Explorer, fixed now.

Well the Ward, Pete, is the literal area of Stroud Green according to the Council. If we were strictly sticking to that then nothing on the West side of Stroud Green Road would be considered Stroud Green, which is a bit silly, not to mention discounting Arch Forum Lord Andy from living in the area. Also the Ward looks to stretch up to Green Lanes and I don't think anyone would consider that "stroud green" as in the local area. Its more about the community around the main high street.

That's why were trying to define it outselves and Liz asks Taxi drivers wierd questions.

I'm with whatever puts me in Stroud Green!

Top tip on the refreshing front - I can see it now. How did you do it? On second thoughts, perhaps I should just stick with amazed wonderment at your computer skills.

I wonder about the south east tip - seems to go a bit too close to Holloway? But then Hornsey Road and Seven Sisters road seem like natural boundaries...

That'll be the Hillmarton conservation area then. Nice.

ok so the east border is the railway line, and the west border is a bit too Hornsey? Shall i run the west border from the bottom up along Durham - Turle - Almington - Ormond - Highcroft so parallel to Hornsey but a bit closer to the SGR?

OK, so the East/West borders have been revised. How do we feel about the area now people?

I like it. Entertainingly, my road is the one you cut off halfway down (Turle Road) which means that I am in SG but the people three houses down aren't. I guess that's the nature of borders.

Also, the Midtown thing is still hanging about - that's what they're calling the new big shiny building on and over the Holborn one way system.

When we see a non-jokey reference to Archway as 'Highgate slopes' we'll know that estate agents have really jumped the shark.

Sorry forget my last comment. The directory wasn't working as google maps seemed to be down. If I'd taken the trouble to read above I could have seen you'd already done this.

Is there any chance of re-instating the border?

<fears the exclusionary fall of the axe>

I'm all for border polygon reinstatement, too!

There's more than one Albert Road. There's more than one Victoria Road. And, believe it or not, there's more than one junction between roads called Albert and Victoria.

Muswell Hill

That's not to say that the journalist is referring to the correct junction, natch.

Borders re-established.

Works on my IE6. Refresh your page a few times. Explorer is a bit crap with translucent images, IE7 & Firefox will display it without issue though.

Very generous on the extension down as far as Hornsey Road, I'd say... And I live down there.

Okay, how about the border being 3/4 minutes walk away from Woody's - we all know Woody's is clearly the centre of Stroud Green.

Northerrn border is where Oakfield Rd meets Mountview Road which runs west to Crouch Hill.

Eastern perimeter is where Tollington Park bends to meet Oakfield Rd., before railway and park gates.

Southern perimeter is where SGR and Seven Sisters meet inc. a sliver of SGR down to station and back uo to Worlds End then East around SG school and through to Tollington Park.

Western perimeter is SGR itself then Crouch Hill up to Mountview Rd.

Basially NOT Finsbury Park, Not Hornsey Vale, Not the ladder.

I've always thought the where is Stroud Green thing a pretty nebulous concept and Ian's definition works better than most.

Look at the oldest map available here.

http://www.stroudgreen.org/discussion/1318/old-maps/

Stroud Green existed long before the surrounding area as it is now and was a tiny place that appeared to centre on what is now the Old Dairy / Larrik crossroads.

In the 18th century/19th century Stroud Green appears to sit across Stroud Green Road - look at the electoral map or the modern day A to Z and it's shifted up to an area around Stapleton Hall Road etc that was just fields back then.

So I reckon stick a compass point in the Old Dairy crossroads, draw a circle to where you see fit and that's Stroud Green.

@Papa L.

'..centre on what is now the Old Dairy / Larrik crossroads....'

That's right all of Stapleton Hall, Ferme Park, Weston Park and Hornesy Vale was pasture in early through to mid 1860's.
The Larrik would have been Stapleton Hall Tavern with rooms and a livery . The Dairy was actually functioning as exactly that, cattle were driven and rested there, a toll paid to graze etc. and then their milk sold to the dairy following morning before continuing on to market at Smithfield. The toll gate was run by Stapleton Hall on SHR and which still stands as the oldest building in Haringey - next to the W3 bus stop and formerly the Hornsey tory club in Hugh Rossi's day with 5 fantastic conker trees in the car park, the scoundrels sold up in mid-80's and converted into flats, chopped the tree and added the wings to the building you see now.

So where is poor Scarborough Rd then? In no mans land?

@tosscat - Didn't know Busby's age had been established? Thought the grief his postings got had driven him underground - not seen that thread since beginning of week.

Info is from an attic find of old photo's, household bills etc. from first occupants of house. I remember Stapleton Hall Tavern and the Tory club with it's prefab snooker room and the Dairy before it was a pub had hardware shopon the corner with a car bodyshop behind it with in & out gateways and cobbled yard.

Enjoy the idea that SG was established as a place before Crouch End and FP though - and west of SGR is most definitely not SG! -except the Park Tavern which we will claim via a corridor.