What would you like to see on SGR?

Misscara

There's a fountin outside the town hall in Crouch End, but it's usually turned off when I'm there. Last summer I observed as the homeless guy with the dog and his mate stripped off and had a bath in the dirty water.

Arkady

Heh heh. Miss Annie, I’m unsure whether that would match the character of the area or meet exacting energy efficiency standards. Maybe we could get them to cobble SGR though, it would slow down traffic and would be easier to repair the ridiculous potholes!

staplejack

I don't want Stroud Green to be Crouch End.

tosscat

Neither do I. Crouch End gets on my chimes.

sg_mike

I saw somebody taking a photo of wall court today. I didn't manage to stop him before he got on his folding bicycle and cycled away along UTP. Maybe it'll soon be listed?

Arkady

@sgmike: there are buildings pretty much of Wall Court design being demolished in the SE London redevelopments so I hope not.

@JFJ: I used the term masterplan with care: I think what we need is a general plan of what the area should look like to act as a spur and guide for future redevelopment. The Nandos building really should be bigger so there would be incentives for them. Tesco could go up a story, especially if that was compensated by a decent façade. Existing private businesses could be encouraged to invest in exchange for fixed rates for a set period. The John Jones redevelopment is a good example of this sort of thing.

A point about Crouch End generally- I like Crouch End, though I prefer Stroud Green for it diversity. But central CE is not a byword for plushness or architectural greatness. The stretch between the King's Head and Topsfield Parade has been ruined by decades of misjudged buildings. I include the 1930s town hall in that. And little care is being taken of the general streetscape - it looks more run-down than SGR in many places.

JungleFaceJake

@ Staplejack, Don't won't it to Be Crouch End, just be less Disgusting looking.

@ Miss annie, I am all over the Thatched roof Idea.. just got back from Devon and it is a lovely sight indeed to see so much Thatchery.
But I imagine the council would piss on that idea as well

Thatcher's Britain, eh!!

nick_m

if they put in a primark it would be just the motivation i need to deliver a letter bomb on behalf of all the kids they use to make their clothes

JungleFaceJake

Wow!

That'll teach them.

You might as well do Nandos and Tesco before Primark

And there is one in Woodgreen now.

Yeah, Fight the machine. Yeah!! Oh who made the components of the computer your using? or the ones in your mobile? Or who harvested the cocoa beans for the chocolate you eat (if you do eat it, if you don't you're even more of a freak than you appear) ?

What about all that cotton in your clothes? Where are they from?
Or your rice? or grain? or fruit? or vegtables?

Maybe you should send a letter bomb to yourself, Armchair activism is the only solution.

Papa L

I quite like Wall Court, with its Art Deco-style and red brick late 1940's look, I think it's quite an interesting building from the Stroud Green Road side and has some character and elegance. The rear isn't a looker though.

Should you really knock something like that down and replace it with fake Victoriana? (As much as Victorian is by far the best look)

It wouldn't be with Victorian style anyway, they'd probably replace it with something hideous modern and swiftly dating.

Like that brutal monster on Hanley Road on the old library site.

I agree wholeheartedly on some form of council plan being needed. Islington and Haringey should be embarrassed by their inactivity and lack of vision in supporting the area. SGR thrives despite the councils, not because of them.

Arkady

It’s not bad as 1940s architecture goes, but it appears to have been built cheaply and it’s looking pretty shabby. It also does not fit into the area. In low-rise areas like Stroud Green consistency is just as if not more important than the quality of the individual building. I’m not necessarily advocating ‘fake Victoriana’, I’m just advocating that any façade should be in keeping with the surrounding heritage in terms of scale and materials. It need not be a slavish imitation. But neo-classical buildings can be done well – the Stapleton Hall development is good evidence of that in my opinion.

Areas with no decent heritage buildings as neighbours are where we should be bold and experimental with modernist designs – like the City North development. I quite agree about the brutal monster. Hanley Road has been much abused. A master plan should prohibit that kind of design and insist on sympathetic facades. There are plenty of places where this happens, and now that much of SG is a conservation area it should be rather easier to enforce here.

nick_m

@JFJ - I like the tone of your apathetic reponse: give up now! You're a real touchstone for positivism.

JungleFaceJake

@nick_m
You are a really confused little boy, aren't you.

Your tiny minded, misjudged and ill informed letter bomb statement deserves ridicule.

A lack of understanding your surroundings, and the greater scale and intricacies of capitalism undermine you.

But at least you're trying I suppose, however blind you are.

graeme

I'd love to see an 'Ignore This User' button.

miss annie

I'd like to see an 'I challenge you to a duel' button.

Tallboy

I'd like to see a "JFJ is spot on" button.

nick_m

@jfj gosh, how did you lose your track and end up on this website? With your profound knowledge you should be at the IMF or something. With your deep understanding of "the greater scale and intricacies of capitalism" your calling should surely be of a higher nature. I bow to your intelligence.

p.s. i wasn't really going to send a letter bomb in the hypothetical scenario of primark setting up on SGR.

miss annie

@tallboy, you could press that now!

JungleFaceJake

@nick_m
I don't have a profound knowledge of anything really.
Although I do have a profound hatred of idiots who have little to back up their ill-informed and often hypocritical statements.

Lets get this back into perspective, you stated
'if they put in a primark it would be just the motivation I need to deliver a letter bomb on behalf of all the kids they use to make their clothes'

Dislike of manufacturing processes and policies is a worthy bug to bear, but it is ill conceived to just presume that Primark are bad because they may use child labour, and then shun any suggestion that may instigate debate about the wider scale of capitalist measures.

You could write to the CEO of Primark to challenge their policy, or contact trading standards and petition for further investigation.

Or you could read up a bit about the grander scale of things and maybe formulate an opinion that might separate you from the usual middle class, hypocritical, ever so ethically ethical crap trap that you seem to have fallen into.

I ended up on this website because I live locally, and I'm interested in local issues.

I also like to laugh at the hypocrisy that infests a lot of the posts, and enjoy pointing this out and using occasional foul language to do so.

I still love N4 and by proxy that means you too, even if you are a bit of a misguided tit

@tallboy

You mave have changed your mind if you get this far, but cheers

Slabber

I've never been in a Primark. Is it nice?

miss annie

No, it is horrid. But very cheap because everything is made out of synthetic fibres by one legged blind Chinese children with no hands . Although that's not why I don't like it.

dion

How would the one legged blind Chinese children with no hands afford to buy food if they weren't making Primark clothes?

JungleFaceJake

They Feed them liquidised, intensively farmed chicken intravenously in one arm to feed them and red bull in the other so they don't sleep.

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